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Computer Grading Requires Human Input
By Michael Fazzari
November 07, 2007


It's almost 2008 and there is still no "little black box" to grade coins, but some have tried. This weekend, while looking through some old clippings, I came across an article about "The Expert."

The subject of the article called to mind a joke I'd heard from a former associate, Charlie Hoskins. He used to say that the word "expert" came from two roots, "ex" meaning from or out of and "pert" a little drip under pressure. In this case, "The Expert" in the article was neither a drip nor a human. Read on.

About 20 years ago, one of the grading services developed an expensive gadget to grade coins called "The Expert." Apparently, it was a video camera surrounded by a bank of high intensity lights set up to record the surface of a coin. The coin's image was digitalized as each light flashed in sequence and the resulting image was stored in a computer.

This was one of the first attempts to develop a computer to grade coins. There were several other parties working to develop a computer grading system at the same time. I recall that Charlie Hoskins, director of The International Numismatic Society Authentication Bureau, was a consultant to one of these firms that eventually produced a product under the name "CompuGrade." Since I was not involved with this project, I have no idea how that system worked. That grading service lasted a few years; yet, I cannot be sure if a computer ever generated any of the grades on their slabs.

One thing I did know for sure, at that time, computers could not grade coins. I based my opinion on the problems one firm was having setting up a system to grade Morgan dollars that were toned, and on an interactive demonstration video of how "The Expert" worked that was set up at an American Numismatic Association convention. It didn't work for me.

More importantly, I understood the difficulty of detecting "doctored" and "problem" coins, even for an experienced numismatist. From what I could see at coin shows in the 1980s, there were just too many altered coins going into slabs while the "new" grading services were in their infancy. If some of the professionals who were programming the computers could be fooled so easily, what kind of results could we expect from a machine? I think the saying goes, "junk in, junk out."

Thankfully, that is not the case today. The major grading services have become one of the best safeguards against "doctored" coins in the marketplace. So where does that leave us? I believe there is a place for "computer grading." Who can say how much better the results will be now with the vastly improved hardware and software? Perhaps a different approach, one that may have worked even 20 years ago, may be tried.

What are the most important aspects of any grading system? As has always been the case, it should be simple, precise and consistent. In an ideal system, a coin would receive the same grade no matter how many times it was submitted as long as its condition of preservation remained unchanged. That is what computer grading was to provide to numismatics. Grade it, put it in a holder and that would be the end. This was possible 20 years ago and is still possible today except it would not be the "true" computer grading as envisioned long ago.

Grading is still too complicated a task for a machine. What if "The Expert" had been set up at the beginning to record the imperfections on a coin, to fingerprint it the way they do for diamonds and then to store that information so that it could be pulled-up from a database as a "match" if the coin was ever seen again?

With this system, the computer would not be needed to actually grade the coin; yet it would eliminate some of the inconsistencies we find with human graders. Human experts can grade the coin. Then the results, plus a scan of the coin can be stored in a data base. Voila, computer grading!

Each time the coin was submitted, it would be returned with the same grade. End of the grading problem.

Why didn't they take this approach 20 years ago?



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Comments
On November 8, 2007 Richard Naylor said
Michael:
I am a coin collector, not an investor.
I have a pretty nice collection of U.S. coins, some proofs, some uncirculated and some circulated. I have been trying to grade them myself, I have a couple of books, They arn't that good at least for me. My question. I have been looking at the Carlisle software "collector's assistant" and wondering if the "grading assistant" would be a help to me? I'm not looking for a perfect grade, just a good idea of what coins I have. I don't have the money to have them graded by a profesional. I have been collecting on and off for 50 years and have a lot of coins. Thank you for any advice you might give me.
Richard
On November 8, 2007 GDJMSP said
You asked -

"With this system, the computer would not be needed to actually grade the coin; yet it would eliminate some of the inconsistencies we find with human graders. Human experts can grade the coin. Then the results, plus a scan of the coin can be stored in a data base. Voila, computer grading!

Each time the coin was submitted, it would be returned with the same grade. End of the grading problem.

Why didn't they take this approach 20 years ago? "

I think the answer to that question is rather easy - because they knew how much money they would lose on all those re-submittals. No business is in the business of putting itself out of business.

That being said, I would very much be in favor of your idea being put into practice as I agree with you. But I am afraid the reality of the situation is that it will never happen. Nor do I think that computer grading will ever be successful for all of the reasons you mentioned and a few more besides.
On November 8, 2007 Dave Lembke said
I would like to state that:

Population Reporting can also be more realistic if electronic grading could be performed accurately. So many coins in MS64+ are sent back to try to get them to come back as 1 point higher, making the difference of hundreds or even thousands of dollars. This process taints the population reports for coins that are more frequently sent to try to get them to grade a point higher. I was always wondering how easy it would be to in this day and age take a high resolution digital photograph of the coins obverse and reverse and potentially give it a fingerprint for theft identification as well as resubmitted coin identification that taint the population reports. Being an individual who works as an IT Professional, I see this totally possible now. The only problem area's with identifying a resubmitted coin would be coins which look litterally the same, same grade, same imperfections or lack there of. A 360 degree photograpgh of the rim from 12:00 back around could yield another area in which a fine detail can stand out from one coin or another, light scratch on a reed etc and weight of a coin could also be used since the planchets can vary slightly in mass of metal, and so you could tell one from the other.

Being that the machine would have to look at the coin without touching it has its disadvantages. Only way I can see touching the coin safely would be through Ultrasonics and/or lasers in which you can time the time it takes for the wave to bounce of the surface and get your 3D measurement of a face of the coin and be able to then render it to a database of characteristics for a coin and then weigh its overall grade including deducting for damages.

To identify cleaned or dipped coins, you would need the ability to search for trace elements that do not belong and set a threshold before the coin is determined to be cleaned. BUT to extract or to measure what doesnt belong would likely mean that its surface may have to be touched in some manner and you dont want to be touching surfaces w
On November 8, 2007 Matt said
It has always been my contention that computerized coin grading could definitely work if used in conjunction with the human eye.  The computer could technically grade the coin based on surface wear and imperfections, and a human could then examine the coin for counterfeits, artificial coloring, and doctoring.  Since eye-appeal is part of a coin's grade, the human could adjust the computer's grade up or down depending on the look of the coin.  With technology as advanced as it is today, I can't see why this isn't being done.
On November 8, 2007 Jay said
To properly record (and/or grade) a coin would require a 3-D scan so that every surface could be accurately measured.  A simple 2-D photograph is not enough.  The technology to record and store this amount of data was not available at a reasonable cost 20 years ago, but wea re closer now.

The reflectivity of metal could be an issue to overcome, but laser scanning systems could do the job
On November 9, 2007 Andy Lustig said
A grading machine cannot be both excellent and consistent, because excellence requires that the machine learns - with or without further input from humans - from its mistakes. In other words, if you program the machine to record the characteristics of every coin and require the machine to grade the coin the same time after time, you are destined to mediocrity at best, and more likely failure. This does not mean that "computer grading" cannot be done "right". In fact, it's inevitable. It just won't be what you're expecting.

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